Problems leaving Chili as foreigner with Chilean car.

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#1 Wed, 02/15/2017 - 08:12

Problems leaving Chili as foreigner with Chilean car.

We are 2 Belgians , bought and registered our car in Santiago in December and travelling around. Now recently we,ve got 2 times problems at the border leaving Chili. On the 30/01/2017 when we were heading to Ushuaia and on 13/02/2017 when we crossed in Cerro Castillo from Puerto natales to Calfate.

On both occasions the customs wouldn't give us permission to leave Chili. There must be a rule which say that foreigners who are not registered as residents are not allowed to leave the country with their car. A domicilio or having a RUT is not enough.

In the end we were allowed to leave Chili, but in Ushuaia we were only allowed 6 days and in Cerro Castillo I had to write and sign at the back of the car clearence document thet I  would return the car to Chili.

Al strange to me.

Anyone with the same experience or a solution to this annoying experience?

Sat, 02/18/2017 - 13:05

Borders

I wrote a blog about this :  https://www.suzisantiago.com/single-post/2017/01/22/Crossing-Borders-Info

Basically 100% of our clients have croessed so far, we have a list of borders that let travelers cross with a car. 

We provide a 3 hour trip planing that guides you as well for how and where to cross the border. 

 

Cheers,

Suzi

Tue, 02/28/2017 - 12:00

Confirmed

At the border pass Cardinal Samore (Osorno - Villa la Angostura) had problems leaving Chile. Passed through for the second time after speaking with the customs chief. Take another crossing if possible, we managed to convince him only by showing that we had already left Chile 3 times before and returned.

Tue, 02/28/2017 - 12:07 (Reply to #3)

Hey Artem, how are you doing?

Hey Artem, how are you doing?

feel free to consult with us before choosing a border to cross.  we will send you the list 

 

Tue, 02/28/2017 - 12:17 (Reply to #4)

Hi, so far more or less ok,

Hi, so far more or less ok, emailed you.

Fri, 03/03/2017 - 08:17

Border Crossing Chile

Here is the complete law (new law from july 2016) where it actually tells about it... no chilean resident can leave legally the country with a chilean car... so if u were able to cross... u were lucky... fortunatelly the unknowledge of the officers at customs may help u with that... but basically u need to have temporary or permanent residence in chile to do that.. even with a chilean car in your name... same happens in Argentina...

https://www.aduana.cl/aduana/site/artic/20150106/asocfile/20150106105729...

 

Fri, 03/03/2017 - 09:33

I read this document.

I read this document. According to it, that a tourist without chilean residence cannot leave with the rented car as well. Officer told, that we can pass with the rented car, though. When we asked for the law that allows it, they just could not tell. So I think there is some collision or other regulations that we do not know, or, more likely - rent-a-car lobby.

Fri, 03/03/2017 - 14:56 (Reply to #7)

law

Hey.. the document i attached is the add to the old customs law... rented cars are allowed if the company is registered with the customs.. so u dont have problems when exit the country with a rented car. the problem is with ppl that own the chilean car and do not live in chile. in case u rent a car and plan to go to any other country, u usually must advise the renter because they do other paperwork that allows u to leave.

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 03:15

Any updates on this topic?

hey guys, did others encounter the same problems as well? I'm worried now that I won't be abled to leave Chile with a Chilean car this summer. Would also be nice if you guys know a way around this regulation.

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 03:36 (Reply to #9)

We had no problem leaving

We had no problem leaving through Paso Jama on 11 Sep 2016 and Paso Roballos in November 2016. Think Suzisantiago can help you.

As to legal regulation - I still cannot see an effective law that allows tourist leave with the car they rent, so think this is up to the certain customs office or even border pass - who passes and who cannot pass.

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 06:26

So far travelers are still

So far travelers are still crossing at some borders, the chileans are uncosistant and that can help a lot. begging and negotiating and being nice and polite can also help a lot and it also depends on the offficer which is currently at shift.

I've heard many stories of people being refuse to cross that waited until the shift changed and than the new guy let them cross. 

We hold a real time updated list of borders that let and doesn't let you cross, thats why so far all of our clients have crossed eventually. 

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 10:55

"eventually" --  perhaps, but

"eventually" --  perhaps, but at what cost in terms of extra fuel and wear and tear and extra visa fees and reciprocity payments and extra time. I'd say the end is near.

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 11:42

Solution for this!!!

Hey everybody... here is the solution:

Law Article 17.2.3 says u can exit the country when foreigner driving chilean country only if u show a notarized document where it says u compromise to return the vehicle to chile in the correct time... so u just need to go to a notary everytime u leave the country doing that paper

 

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 14:58 (Reply to #13)

Hey man can you give me your

Hey man can you give me your email address I'd like to get some more info about this

Cheers

Tue, 03/07/2017 - 00:43 (Reply to #14)

Law 17.2.3

Dear yamilm,

would you mind posting the law here (a link or pdf maybe?). Would be nice to print it out and show it to border guards together with the nptarized document, in case they won't let people out of Chile.

Thanks in advance!

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 14:50

Yamilm, then you will also be

Yamilm, then you will also be very likely have problems getting into Peru unless you are willing to make a detour through Bolivia. 

Could be that Chile is going the same way as Argentina where is is fairly easy to buy a Arg registered vehicle but then it is close to take it out of the country within the first couple of years of ownership.

Mon, 03/06/2017 - 15:25 (Reply to #16)

Crossing from Chile to Peru

Crossing from Chile to Peru is peruvian problem, not chilean.

 

Yamilm, thanks for the solution.

Tue, 03/07/2017 - 04:49

complete law

Here is the law: https://www.aduana.cl/capitulo-4-salida-de-mercancias/aduana/2007-02-16/...

The article we are talking about is: 17.2.3

The other law that affects is this one: https://www.aduana.cl/aduana/site/artic/20150106/asocfile/20150106105729...

Tony, the law in question is as u say the argentinian-chilean border agreement. it does nothing about Peru so even if u are right.. this might be little help to convince the agents since the idea is the same

Suzisantiago: yamil@rumbo361.com.ar 

Best of luck for all of u trying this and safe travels!

YM

Tue, 11/28/2017 - 01:50 (Reply to #18)

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Wed, 03/08/2017 - 06:52

Leaving Chile through Argentina

If I understand the laws correctly we can leave Chile towards Argentina for sure if we have a notarized document and then drive to e.g. Bolivia through an Argentinean border.

 

Wed, 03/08/2017 - 08:49 (Reply to #20)

Chile has the similar

Chile has the similar agreement on border crossing with Bolivia, this law may be applicable to Bolivia as well. Or there is a similar law for Bolivia.

Mon, 03/13/2017 - 15:21

Interesting comment on the

Interesting comment on the HUBB forum. The topic http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/south-america/steps-buying-used-bi... has been running for a long time and the latest post written by Dmwbmw who I'm pretty sure has no commercial interest in this matter -  in post #125

said --

 

"This was posted on the AllChile.net Chile Forum by the web admin who knows a lot about this stuff.
Bad news for anyone who wants to buy a bike or car in Chile and travel around SA.
As always in Chile it may not be implemented in a uniform manner.

New regulation by Chilean aduanas in regards to the temporary export of cars and foreign owners.

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH FOREIGNERS WITH RESIDENCY IN CHILE!!!!! You can still come and go from the country with your Chilean registered car.

This only applies to people coming to Chile with tourist visas, and buying a car with a temporary RUT for foreigners, and intending to leave Chile with there car under a temporary export permit. We are still looking in to how this applies to the rental car industry, but that is a different problem.

O.k., the original regulation required a non-resident foreigner that owned a car, to just have a "RUT", without distinction between a resident with a permanent RUT number and a foreigner with a temporary tax payer ID RUT number, in order to do a temporary export of a car to say drive in Argentina, Bolivia, and so on.

Well, for all the neighboring countries, the benefit is by treaty to temporarily import a car, was in fact only meant to be extended to Chilean citizens or residents. It is essentially a temporary tax waiver between the countries. Chile has been very strict about enforcing this on foreigners. If you bring a foreign registered car in to the country, you have like 90 days and you either have to leave or formally import the car and register it.

Well, I guess it was not happening the other way around for years, due to that little blooper in the regulations. We get foreigners all the time that bought cars in Chile, say drove to the United States, and then are trying to sell the car. Cars were going out, under the temporary import benefit to neighboring countries, and for one reason or another never coming back. They essentially had an exit stamp, but no entry stamp, for the car papers.

So, for now, a foreigner that does not have residency in Chile must formally export the car in order to leave the country with it.

So, for all those tourist that were planning on buying a car in Chile, driving around South America, then returning to Chile to sell it. Sorry.  ...."

so unless someone can come up with an official notice that says something different, I would suggest that the good old days may have come to an end.  Perhaps try Peru or ... but certainly Argentina is out and Chile is looking shaky

Mon, 04/17/2017 - 19:26 (Reply to #22)

Don't rely on allchile or Charles Spencer

I happen to know the admin on allchile and he is nowhere near as well-informed as he wants you to believe.  His chilean attorney wife does understand a bit about the law but Charles is frankly unreliable.   The statements he makes in that piece you quoted shows just how out of touch he is with the current regulations on this matter.

 

 

Mon, 03/13/2017 - 15:42

We provide all our clients

We provide all our clients with a notarized document that let them cross any border (except for peru) with no problems. 

So far everyone crossed easily and happily with this document. 

 

Sat, 03/25/2017 - 19:13

With due respect,

With due respect, Suzisantiago can make all the promises she likes, based on "the law". I am sure she is totally correct.  But when you are in some little remote border post, and the official decides he doesn't want to let you through, telling him he is "wrong" and pointing out the "law" is likely to aggravate him even more. And "waiting for his relief" is not always an option either.

It is all well and good when one speaks fluent Spanish and understands all the local situations and characteristics, but most people wanting to do this are, by definition, tourists.

For me one of the beautiful things about my trip was to be able to cross borders as and wherever I wanted, and not be dictated to by a list that says I "have to cross here" or "there".  A couple of times I even came to borders between Argentina and Chile that I didn't even know were there until I arrived at them !!

I repeat, no disrespect - I am sure Suzisantiago is totally correct in what she says about the Law, but in S America "being correct" is not always a guarantee of "being allowed to pass" - Especially when you are a foreigner. 

Giles

Mon, 04/17/2017 - 20:20 (Reply to #25)

Regarding Giles' comment

Giles, if you have reached a frontier control point between CL and AR and didn't know about it previously, then you are evidently not taking advantage of the considerable readily-available material available on the matter.  I live in Chile (came here nearly 40 years ago) and have crossed at 24 of the control complexes between CL and AR, from Paso de Jama to Radman/Bellavista, and have never been "surprised"  by an unexpected frontier control site.

I have also been a guide for new immigrants and tourists visiting CL and AR for more than 25 years, and I would like to suggest that the "suzisantiago" information on the topic of the recent vexing re-interpretation of the Aduanas rules is about as good as you will get anywhere,  including the Aduanas offices themselves,  which I think you will agree are plagued by inconsistent understandings and interpretations along with rogue behaviour.  But that works both ways:   a truly competent traveler is often likely to be able to get across a frontier even when in violation of some minor regulation, perhaps more frequently than such a traveler is turned away for something trivial.  In all the years here I have only been denied three times at a frontier:  once when the Argentines improperly closed their Aduanas shop early to attend a party in town, once when there was a brush fire in No Man's Land, and once due to the Argentine recalcitrance at my not having current but mandatory  "international" insurance.   No amount of forum discussion is going to arm you to solve all possible contingencies, which I think you were trying to suggest.

En fin,  the suzisantiago efforts on this topic are commendable.  As far as dealing with the realities of fickle functionaries, there is only so much you can do in the "knowledge" department.   I've yet to find a website to adequately teach the sort of luck, charm, and guile one sometimes needs when traveling across frontiers.

saludos

 

Sat, 03/25/2017 - 20:06

Very nice comment,the facts

Very nice comment,the facts are:
1. 100% of our clients got out of chile with a vehicle.
2. Through the last 2 weeks all of our travelers and other overlanders crossed "problematic " borders with that notarized document and a copy of the law, some of them got a compliment from the border police for being prepared .

Safe travels everyone!

Sun, 03/26/2017 - 18:05

From what I recall in past

From what I recall in past posts, the facts are that some hapless travellers did not get out of Chile on their first attempt and some had to make huge detours and spend money on fuel, wear and tear, and visas to get out of Chile to where they wanted to go.

The other fact is that there are people with no commercial interest in the problem giving advice that is quite different to the ever-changing advice given by some people trying to make money out of the system

Sun, 04/09/2017 - 09:27

Do you know how it looks with

Do you know how it looks with using a friend´s car (friend and car are both chileans).
I can have ¨poder¨to use his car but can I leave country?

cheers,
Arek

Sun, 04/09/2017 - 09:45

With the poder you should

With the poder you should easily cross the border to Argentina or Bolivia. Make sure the poder indicates crossing borders.
Keep us posted

Sun, 04/09/2017 - 09:53 (Reply to #30)

Thanks Suzan!

Thanks Suzan!
Do I need additional notarized document where it says that I compromise to return the vehicle to chile within 180 days?
Do I need RUT or just passport is enough?
Does car need to be ¨liberado¨ as my friend lives in Punta Arenas?

A.

Sun, 04/09/2017 - 10:43 (Reply to #31)

You can do the notarized

You can do the notarized declaration just in case. You dont need a rut if the poder is on your passport number. All i know about this zone is that you have to bring back the vehicle every 6 months.

Tue, 04/18/2017 - 07:46 (Reply to #32)

Zona Franca non-liberado vehicle (REF: AREK)

On the subject of a "liberado" or "non-liberado" vehicle:

A zona franca vehicle that is non-liberado can only be used in a non-zona-franca region of Chile by the legal owner and only then under certain limited conditions.  For example,  if your friend has a non-liberado vehicle and you wish to travel across the frontier near Punta Arenas into Argentina and then into Chile in "the north"  -  you will need to comply with the temporary export controls and required notarized/legalized document(s), and you can drive in Argentina,  but you cannot drive that vehicle into Chile at (for example)  the frontier control sites near Osorno, Pucón, Santiago, etc.   Only the legal owner can do that,  and it requires prior Aduanas arrangements for a Pasavante done by the vehicle owner.

saludos

Tue, 04/18/2017 - 08:04 (Reply to #33)

Hi Nobleza, I know that non

Hi Nobleza, I know that non-liberado auto can be used only in zona franca region.
I am not going to visit another parts of Chile. I need to go only to Argentina and after few weeks I will back to Puq.

As you wrote in your previous comment, crossing a border is unpredictable. I have crossed Arg - Chile borders hundred times and few times I had some problems.
That´s the why I want to be sure about possibility of crossing border with my chilean friend´s car. :)

cheers, Arek

Sun, 04/09/2017 - 15:43

arek, you need to ask the

arek, you need to ask the question to include every country you might want to visit. If you really want to go to Peru, then knowing you can go to Argentina or Bolivia isn't a lot of use

Sun, 04/09/2017 - 16:38

Hi Tony,

Hi Tony,
I just want to go to Argentina where I am going to spend winter time, then in September will come back to Magellanes.
So if I use my friend´s car it would work for me much better.

A.

Wed, 05/03/2017 - 11:35

problems

There are still problems on the border with chilean cars owned by foreigners.
And the problem is not because of law but because of custom officers who do not respect chilean law.

I had many problems when I was crossing border with Argentina last week. I drove to Argentina as I am going to be a dad.
When the custom officer heard that I will be have argentine residence (becouse of baby) he told me that I am not allowed to cross border. After half an hour of conversation another one (his boss) told me that I am not allowed to buy chilean car if I am not chilean resident. After another hour of discussion the same guy (after talking to his boss) told me that I can have a car but I cant croos the border if I do not have residency.
After I shown him printed law 17.2.3 (which was printed by the first custom officer!) he told me that this law is not valid anymore.

Fortunately my chilean working visa was still valid (5 days more) so after 2 hours of fighting for my rights they let me crossed the border with limit of those 5 days!

That situation reminds me Eastern Europe during communist system where militaries and officials could do what they wanted to do.

Wed, 05/03/2017 - 11:44

Yes Arek, you are preaching

Yes Arek, you are preaching to the convered here. The one who needs to get out into the real world is suzisantiago

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